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Post by wiggypiggys on Jul 10, 2013 16:54:26 GMT
After much research on breeding and how to start etc. I have came across the question "When does your breeding line really become yours?" Every breeder starts at the same place purchasing them 3-4 starting Guineas from someone so then once you have that first litter does them babies become the first of "your" bloodline? Or is it 3-4 generations down the line? It seems hard for me to understand when you can call it *Your bloodline* As really you wouldn't add any new blood in for maybe years; so is the bloodline yours after the first litter?
Also when can you show under your Stud name? As your stock is really someone else's...Look forwards to hearing peoples input.
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Post by Kayleigh on Jul 10, 2013 19:50:36 GMT
You show under your name as soon as you enter pigs into a show. If you dont use a stud name then your first/last name will appear on the cards. Many people show pigs who arent their own breeding, and most of the time its all in good faith, the original breeder will usually be pleased to see pigs out they have bred. saying this however not many breeders will sell on top quality show pigs (as we keep them for ourselves haha), they will provide a good breeding pair/trio and you have to wait and see what is produced etc. I prefer to show pigs iv bred, as i get more satisfaction out of it. With regards to your own bloodline, i guess it can be from 2 pigs you have bred together, ie if you get the boar from me and breed him to a sow from Orlaith then the off spring will initially be your breeding as you have brought two seperate pigs together to breed. I think that answers your question Kayleigh (ps check the British cavy clubs site out to make sure any chosen stud names arent already taken) www.britishcavycouncil.org.uk/ - under the prefix tab.
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Post by wiggypiggys on Jul 11, 2013 6:48:53 GMT
Hehe Kayleigh I am already registered under "WIGGY PIGGYS CAVIARY" this was when I was starting to breed and wanted to get into showing but never got that far as I wasn't led by the "best" breeder in the world, very disappointing I know And thanks so much Kayleigh that makes a lot more sense; also I am struggling on when this "new blood" should be entered into a line. Say I get a trio from you when would new blood be needed? How many generations etc? It is hard because I know you mentioned you don't want to much new blood in the line because undesirable traits etc... Also Kayleigh I think you should start breeding peruvians just for me <3 Then In a couple of years I can have more of a reason to meet you and get some good piggies <3
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Post by Kayleigh on Jul 11, 2013 19:42:18 GMT
New bloodline can be added whenever really, but you must not bring in pigs left right and centre. Iv watched a few people bring pigs in from various lines and they havent kept records so dont really know who is where and bred with what etc.
Start small, there is no need to have umpteen pigs unrelated. You need to know what your breeding, the good points, the bad (if any)
Great example is my latest litter born a week ago (almost) 1 of the boars has a hellava pair of hems : ( Bummer! Twas the first litter from Sugar and the first time using Sweep as a sire.
I will re breed Sugar to Sooty when shes fit and HOPEFULLY NO hems will appear. If they do then shes a carrier (bummer) if not then its most likely Sweep. Only time will tell.
If it is Sweep who carries the hem, he will be retired and i will then source a new boar for my lines/himi breeding.
If you got a trio from me all unrelated then you would need / want new blood at the 3rd generation id say.
It can all be complicated but its up to you whom you breed, to who, and then what happens next. You cant judge until the litters are there, the pups mature and you can see what you have to work with.
And sorry no longhairs for me!!! Too much hard work! The marked are stressful enough!
Kayleigh
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Post by wiggypiggys on Jul 11, 2013 20:31:02 GMT
Haha thanks Kayleigh I have to try right? There could have been a chance you loved me enough to start haha ;D I understand where you're coming from now though and that there is so many ways to go you just need to wait and see and then once you see what you have to work with go from there. Thanks again I am really feeling much more confident with breeding this time around once I have everything sorted in a couple of years.
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Post by Kayleigh on Jul 11, 2013 20:56:55 GMT
Patience is key!! Learn to walk before you run .. etc etc blah blah!! Good things come to those who wait!!! Trust me!!
Enjoy breeding, learning and the experiences! Dont get caught up with the "winning" every dog has their day .. so to speak! Iv seen many come and go and iv only been doing this a few years now! I enjoy the showing, the pigs and MOST of the people! Its great fun! (most of the time)
Kayleigh
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Post by wiggypiggys on Jul 11, 2013 22:02:15 GMT
Many breeders/exhibitors also say that they have seen a lot of people come and go (Win a few and then leave) As you have said I definitely want to do this right this time and learn to walk before I run. I am so eager to get in there and start but the most important thing is doing it right and finding a "good" Breeder who keeps records etc. That has proved to be the hardest (I Have been looking for breeders to keep them in my diary so when it comes to the time to look for my starting Guinea Pigs I would have gotten to talk to the breeders before and find out more about their stud and the different elements they are trying to achieve but as I said it has been hard to find them near me.)
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Post by kalushascavies on Jul 14, 2013 6:28:00 GMT
Sorry if I am stating a few things that seem simple - just wanted to add a few things. Completely agree with what Kayleigh said above.
My advice is to speak to breeders who have already established their stud and producing winning pigs. At the start of your stud you want the best you can get. Plus their tips and experience with the breed will help guide you to selecting on those important characteristics. I would also say that most people new to the cavy fancy will just go and buy every pig available - mainly through excitement and not really thinking practically what will improve the breeding programme. Critiquing your piggies will only come through experience, which will only really be gained through hearing judges at shows. Being a book steward is one of the best ways to learn n my opinion.
As Kayleigh said, you have to critique each pig and pair them up accordingly.
Personally I believe it is after a few generations that the line 'is yours'.
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Post by wiggypiggys on Jul 14, 2013 7:42:41 GMT
!!!!Kalushcavies!!!!! I already know who you are <3 pfft I look at your site all the time! Wow I am so sad...I wanted to send you a message but was worried you would find it inappropriate since I have sent other breeders messages and they didn't reply...Back when I first wanted stock for Guineas I was looking into you because I think about was it 5-6 years ago you did peruvians? I may be wrong but I look at your site all the time and admire your Lunkarya they are stunning and the few peruvians (The breed I want to start) The colours are gorgeous and they are stunning in themselves! I wished you still done your peruvians but I have read your site and I know you put 100% effort into your Lunkarya now and it really shows. So yep I am a fan really sorry I went all fan mode on you... And thanks so much! You and kayleigh are so helpful after my last attempt at breeding the breeder said I could take so many Guineas etc and it would work and without really great knowledge on it I ended up with 7 of her old Guineas...Had 3 litters and as you can imagine I was just really hurt by it and still have them Guineas because I felt so bad about breeding them in a stupid way...I have now found out so many things that were so simple but I didn't know about breeding and it is all thanks to people like you and Kayleigh who are willing to share information with newbies. I just wanted to say a big thank you to you two.
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Post by kalushascavies on Jul 14, 2013 13:23:36 GMT
Thank you Becky - nice to know you enjoy the website When I first started in the cavy fancy in 2006, I initially went into Peruvians but just didn't really get anywhere with them. I found it hard to find purebred peruvians - without extras - and in the end got three superb ones which finally got me on the right track! By then I had come across the lunkarya in Germany and the rest is history! It sounds like you are an honest and responsible breeder - so keep up the hard work and eventually it will pay off. Melanie Mayoh won Harrogate with an U/5 peruvian - plus she is chairman on the PVCC - so it would be really worthwhile emailing her for some tips. Lynn Stacey Peruvians are also some of the finest - she is in NW england but she has achieved so much with her peruvians. Best wishes, Rebecca & Pigs
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Post by wiggypiggys on Jul 14, 2013 13:46:14 GMT
Oh thanks so much Kalusha! I was hoping you would know of some people who have been doing/producing good quality peruvians. I'm really thankful for the help !
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